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Victoire aux Pyramides (trop simple?)

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Victoire aux Pyramides (trop simple?)

Messagepar Aoldarion » Lun 23 Jan 2017 17:02

Salut, et tout d'abord bravo pour ce beau jeu très réussi !

Pour le moment, je n'ai fais que deux parties, et je manque donc de recul. Mais ce qui m'a sauté aux yeux, c'est qu'avec Hannibal la victoire aux Pyramide semble ridiculement simple, du moins à trois joueurs et avec d'autres débutants.

J'imagine qu'avec des joueurs ayant déjà joué ça s'équilibre tout seul... mais comment faire quand on fait découvrir le jeu à des amis? S'interdire de gagner de cette manière, qui en quelque sorte ruine le jeu qu'on a mis un certain temps à installer et à expliquer?

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Re: Victoire aux Pyramides (trop simple?)

Messagepar Deathpact » Lun 23 Jan 2017 17:18

J'ai un peu la même expérience : des victoires (trop) rapides par manque d'expérience et de vigilance.

Ce que je te recommande : insister à chaque phase de commerce pour faire un bilan de qui a quoi en terme de ressource. En effet, c'est une information qui est accessible à tous. Ainsi tu peux sensibiliser des débutants au fait qu'il te manque juste "x" ressources pour gagner et leur signaler qu'ils ont probablement le monopole sur une ou l'autre de ses ressources et qu'il faut qu'ils se débrouillent pour t’empêcher de gagner. Tu peux faire ça au moins une ou deux fois pour les sensibiliser.

Après, je suis convaincu qu'avec des joueurs expérimentés, la victoires aux pyramides devient bien plus ardue à obtenir.

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Re: Victoire aux Pyramides (trop simple?)

Messagepar Maximilien » Mar 24 Jan 2017 10:05


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Re: Victoire aux Pyramides (trop simple?)

Messagepar Deathpact » Mar 24 Jan 2017 10:59

Quand un joueur a les jardins suspendus, est ce qu'il doit montrer les ressources qu'il conservent à la fine de la phase commerce ? (Y compris une éventuelle ressource légendaire ?)

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Re: Victoire aux Pyramides (trop simple?)

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Re: Victoire aux Pyramides (trop simple?)

Messagepar Aoldarion » Mar 24 Jan 2017 11:07

Merci pour vos réponses!

J'avais aussi pensé à passer la barre requise à 13 au lieu de 12 pour les parties avec des débutants, ou alors à interdire à ceux qui connaissent le jeu de gagner de cette manière la pour la première partie (une sorte de handicap pour compenser la différence d'expérience). Je vais continuer à y réfléchir :)

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Re: Victoire aux Pyramides (trop simple?)

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Re: Victoire aux Pyramides (trop simple?)

Messagepar Deathpact » Mar 24 Jan 2017 14:41

Et puis un joueur trop faible peut aussi fortement déséquilibrer une partie (sans pour autant la rendre inintéressante ceci dit, tant les alliances peuvent tout changer dans ce jeu)
Je pense qu'un joueur "casual" sans vouloir être péjoratif, ne trouvera pas forcément son compte à jouer à Mare Nostrum. Il y a déja plusieurs joueurs chez moi qui ont jeté l'éponge, et nombre d'autres à qui je ne propose même pas d'essayer car je sais que ce n'est pas leur came...
Dans mon club, je n'essaye pas de faire jouer un max de monde à ce jeu mais simplement de trouver déja 4 motivés pour m'accompagner dans mon délire.

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