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Reaction ( question concernant les exemples de la règle )

Messagepar schtouka » Sam 12 Mars 2016 14:38

Bonjour,

Quatermaster General m'a l'air fantastique. Du coup, je lisais les règles histoire d'en savoir un peu plus sur les mécanismes du jeu.
Et un point de règle me semble contradictoire à moins qu'une subtilité m'ait échappée.

Page 6 de la règle en français, exemple 2 ( colonne de droite ), il est dit :
"Le Japon ne peut pas :
déclencher l’effet de sa carte Transport avec des destroyers grâce à une bataille navale déclenchée par sa carte Attaque surprise APRÈS avoir fait la bataille terrestre."

Or, page 7, exemple en haut de la colonne de droite, il est dit :
"3. Le Japon utilise la carte Riposte Attaque surprise, d’abord pour combattre la flotte britannique dans le Golfe du Bengale puis l’armée britannique en Inde. Ainsi une flotte et une armée britannique sont éliminées.
4. Le Japon retourne sa carte Riposte Transport avec des destroyers et construit une armée en Inde."

L'étape numéro 4 ne me semble pas permise puisque le japon à réalisé la bataille terrestre de la carte Riposte Attaque surprise. Cela correspond justement à ce que le Japon ne peut pas faire page 6.

S'il choisit d'utiliser sa carte riposte Attaque surprise, il peut mais grâce à la bataille navale initiale ( en mer de Chine ). Et dans ce cas, il n'est pas en mesure de construire en Inde ( puisque ce n'est pas adjacent à la mer de Chine ).

J'ai tout faux dans mon raisonnement ?

Merci d'avance pour les éclaircissements.

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Re: Reaction ( question concernant les exemples de la règle )

Messagepar Anduril » Dim 13 Mars 2016 14:54

A confirmer, mais je comprends la même chose que toi.

Il y a deux possibilités :
- le Transport avec des destroyers est déclenché par la première bataille navale, après l'application de l'Attaque surprise (on applique les ripostes dans l'ordre de notre choix). Dans ce cas, l'Inde n'est pas valide car elle n'est pas adjacente à la mer de chine.
- le Transport avec des destroyers est déclenché par la seconde bataille navale, celle de l'Attaque surprise. Dans ce cas, l'Inde n'est pas neutre immédiatement après cette bataille navale, la construction est invalide. Enfin, si on attend la bataille terrestre de l'Attaque surprise, on retrouve dans ce cas l'exception de l'exemple page 6.

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Re: Reaction ( question concernant les exemples de la règle )

Messagepar Maximilien » Lun 14 Mars 2016 10:30

Alors, j'ai cru aussi à une faute de la part de l'auteur mais voici l'explication :

1. Je déclenche une bataille navale avec une carte Bataille navale
1.1. Grâce à ma carte bataille navale, je déclenche ma riposte Attaque surprise. Je résous ses deux effets (1.1.1 et 1.1.2).
1.2. Grâce à ma carte bataille navale, je déclenche ma riposte Transport avec des Destroyers.

un schéma plus "mathématique" pour illustrer :

1 [1.1(1.1.1 + 1.1.2) + 1.2]

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Re: Reaction ( question concernant les exemples de la règle )

Messagepar Anduril » Lun 14 Mars 2016 20:51

Dans ce cas, je ne comprends pas pourquoi l'Inde peut être une cible valide de déploiement : elle n'est pas adjacente à la bataille initiale et la riposte Transport avec des destroyers précise bien la nécessité de cette adjacence au lieu de la bataille navale.

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Re: Reaction ( question concernant les exemples de la règle )

Messagepar schtouka » Mar 15 Mars 2016 20:01


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Re: Reaction ( question concernant les exemples de la règle )

Messagepar Maximilien » Lun 21 Mars 2016 16:38

Je suis passé un peu trop vite dessus.

Le japonais déclenche sa riposte transport de Destroyers (1.2.1) en réaction à la bataille navale déclenchée par la riposte attaque surprise (1.2) et non pas la bataille navale initiale (1).

Le schéma correct est donc :

1 => 1.1 + 1.2 => 1.2.1


J'espère que cette fois-ci c'est la bonne ;)

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Re: Reaction ( question concernant les exemples de la règle )

Messagepar schtouka » Mer 23 Mars 2016 12:59


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Re: Reaction ( question concernant les exemples de la règle )

Messagepar schtouka » Dim 27 Mars 2016 14:47

Excellent !

Merci.


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