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Préséance des effets - FORUM ASYNCRON GAMES

Préséance des effets

Le jeu culte des années 80 revient dans une nouvelle version entièrement remaniée !
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Préséance des effets

Messagepar Pikaraph » Ven 20 Fév 2015 11:52

Comme dit par Maximilien, les effets de jeu suivent la règle suivante : Ambassade (jeton ou réunion secrète des Templiers/Chevaliers teutoniques) > Effet Surprise (carte verte ou effet particulier) > effets normaux du déroulement du jeu.

Donc ceci pourrait permettre par exemple lors de l'effet Surprise d'Arsène de déclencher une Ambassade pour filer ses sous à son allié (certes c'est risqué).
Même chose contre Mathilde --> Ambassade pour filer ses cartes à son allié pour éviter de se faire voler une carte dangereuse).

Qu'en pensez-vous ?

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Re: Préséance des effets

Messagepar Gunzilla » Ven 20 Fév 2015 17:32

J'en pense que les effets surprise devraient être plus rapides que les ambassades. Les deux exemples que tu as cité montrent bien que ça rend certains effets quasi nuls. Déjà que j'étais pas très friand des conseillers (en commençant par la règle de distribution au hasard). Là c'est sûr je suis pas près de les ressortir <_<
Et pour ceux (comme moi) qui jouent la règle US de la carte souterrain pour pouvoir éviter un assassinat, encore une fois c'est dommage si on peut s'en procurer un par un simple pigeon.

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Re: Préséance des effets

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Re: Préséance des effets

Messagepar Pikaraph » Sam 14 Mars 2015 10:49

J'ai une question supplémentaire au sujet des effets et des cartes Surprise, lors des batailles :
la règle dit qu'on peut jouer une révolte au début d'une bataille, même chose pour un Souterrain.
La carte Embuscade précise bien qu'elle est jouée durant une bataille... mais certaines cartes n'ont aucune indication de leur utilisation en bataille, doit-on considérer qu'elles ne peuvent être jouées que hors des batailles ou continuent-elles à être jouables tout le temps (donc entre les rounds) ?

--> Peut-on jouer une carte D'Arc au milieu d'une bataille, entre 2 rounds ? Une carte Justice ? Une carte Assassinat ? Jouer une ambassade entre 2 rounds ?

Thématiquement, je ne vois pas bien comment Justice peut intervenir au milieu d'une bataille, même chose pour D'Arc... elle a la révélation tout à coup sur son cheval ?!
Pour l'ambassade, c'est beaucoup plus plausible, c'est un moyen de négocier le changement de camp d'un adversaire par exemple.

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Re: Préséance des effets

Messagepar NDrew » Sam 14 Mars 2015 15:26

Perso j'explique simplement qu'un combat n'est pas un truc qui se déroule sur une journée mais plus une "guerre" ou du moins un front de guerre, donc des combats qui peuvent durer sur plusieurs jours, rendant donc possible la fin d'un combat en plein milieu de 'l"assaut" par l"assassinat d'une chef de guerre dans son sommeil :)

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Re: Préséance des effets

Messagepar Pikaraph » Lun 16 Mars 2015 07:28

Encore une question de timing : si au début d'une bataille 2 joueurs veulent jouer une carte, qui est prioritaire ?
Par exemple, l'attaquant veut jouer un Assassinat et le défenseur une Embuscade : est-ce-que le joueur actif a d'abord l'opportunité de jouer une carte, puis s'il ne le fait pas, le défenseur/les autres dans l'ordre du tour ? Ou est-ce- le premier qui parle ?

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Re: Préséance des effets

Messagepar NDrew » Lun 16 Mars 2015 07:34

Je crois qu'il y a une chose de certaine, la 1ere annoncée est résolue entièrement avant qu'on puisse annoncer autre chose. Perso je dirais que le premier joueur qui "annonce" ses intentions, pour plus de politesse on pourrait dire que l'attaquant doit dire s'il joue une carte ou pas au debut du combat, sachant qu'il initie le combat, il est le premier à avoir l'occasion de jouer une carte....


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